Kellyanne Conway talks race relations in America; Sens. Graham and Reed on Space Force and sanctions
This can be a rush transcript from “Fox Information Sunday,” August 12, 2018. This reproduction might not be in its ultimate shape and is also up to date.
MARTHA MACCALLUM, FOX NEWS HOST: I am Martha MacCallum in for Chris Wallace.
An eerie anniversary as loads of white nationalists ready to mount a repeat rally, this time in entrance of the White Area, marking 365 days for the reason that torch march and the violence in Charlottesville.
MACCALLUM: The development lately is predicted to attract 1000’s of counter protesters.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We all know that we have got other folks coming to our town for the only real function of spewing hate.
MACCALLUM: Whilst in Virginia.
MACCALLUM: We speak about the state of race members of the family in The united states and the president’s insurance policies with White Area counselor Kellyanne Conway.
Then, pointing to rising threats from Russia and China, the White Area publicizes area the following battlefield.
MIKE PENCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Our adversaries have reworked area right into a struggle combating area already. The US won’t shrink from this problem.
MACCALLUM: We will speak about the plans for a Area Drive and new sanctions on Iran, Russia and Turkey with two key participants of the Senate Armed Products and services Committee, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, and the committee’s best Democrat, Jack Reed of Rhode Island.
TROY BALDERSON (R), OHIO CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE: Thanks, everybody. I admire it. Thanks.
MACCALLUM: Two contested races nonetheless too with regards to name. Each regarded as bellwethers for November’s midterm. We will ask our Sunday panel how they take a look at Trumps energy on the polls.
All, presently, on “FOX Information Sunday.”
MACCALLUM: And hi once more from FOX Information in Washington.
This weekend, white nationalists will use the White Area as their backdrop as they take to the streets as soon as once more. What started final summer time as a meeting to protect the statue of Robert E. Lee devolved into one thing a lot darker. The protesters and counter protesters flooded the streets after which a automobile pushed through a suspected neo-Nazi plowed into the gang in Charlottesville, killing 33-year-old Heather Heyer and injuring 19 others. As of late, the statue stays at the back of a barricade.
In the meantime, extra violence within the town of Chicago the place additionally they have noticed protests of their very own now in opposition to the killings of their streets. Twenty other folks have been shot this weekend, two of them fatally, 3 kids have been wounded, together with a 12-year-old woman as town provides 600 officials to patrol the streets after final weekend’s brutal violence of 74 shootings that left 12 other folks useless.
All of this because the president speaks out for solidarity and faces new complaint for a few of his newest tweets going after NFL gamers, who’re as soon as once more protesting all over our nationwide anthem.
Right here to talk about all of this, Kellyanne Conway, counselor to the president, in only a second.
However, first, to Peter Doocy who’s are living in Lafayette Park, the website online of lately’s rally — Peter.
PETER DOOCY, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Just right morning, Martha.
There is a white civil rights rally deliberate for Lafayette Park this afternoon. White nationalist contributors plan to satisfy in northern Virginia 15 miles or 10 metro stops clear of right here to then trip the rails into the district. We do not know what number of people plan to turn up however the allow asked room for as many as 400 protesters. There also are, although, deliberate counterprotests within reach that might draw 1000’s.
As of late’s tournament is known as “unite the fitting 2”. Audio system come with a former KKK chief David Duke and it is taking place right here in D.C. as a result of its organizer Jason Kessler was once denied a allow to rally once more in Charlottesville.
Tensions in Charlottesville stay top this weekend for the anniversary of final 12 months’s “unite the fitting” rally the place an indication in opposition to the removing of a Robert E. Lee statue devolved into fatal chaos, violence that President Trump was once to start with criticized for characterizing like this.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I feel there may be blame at each websites. You have a look at — in case you have a look at either side, I feel there may be blame on either side and I don’t have any doubt about it.
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DOOCY: The president isn’t going to be any place with regards to the White Area lately. He’s going to stay in Bedminster, New Jersey.
Ultimate evening, he hosted a Bikers for Trump tournament and the most important headline there was once that he known as Omarosa, a former White Area staffer who wrote a e book alleging that the president is a racist, a, quote, lowlife. The president has tweeted this weekend to extensively condemn racism and violence however he has no longer in particular addressed lately’s tournament — Martha.
MACCALLUM: Peter, thanks very a lot. Peter reporting steps from the White Area this morning.
Becoming a member of me now from FOX Information headquarters in New York, Kellyanne Conway, counselor to the president.
Kellyanne, welcome again to “Fox Information Sunday”. Just right to have you ever right here this morning.
KELLYANNE CONWAY, COUNSER TO THE PRESIDENT: Thanks, Martha.
MACCALLUM: So, Kellyanne, the president tweeted this weekend: The riots in Charlottesville a 12 months in the past ended in mindless dying and department. We should come in combination as a country. I condemn all forms of racism and acts of violence. Peace to all American citizens, he wrote.
However in a brand new ballot, 57 % say that race members of the family are in fact worse beneath President Trump since he was president.
So, does he want greater than tweets to be convincing in this factor, Kellyanne?
CONWAY: Two issues I might say about that, and primary is you even noticed when our first African-American President Barack Obama left administrative center, it was once very combined polling and really ignored evaluate of race members of the family 8 years after he was once in administrative center. So, this isn’t distinctive to President Trump when it comes to other folks short of to enhance members of the family. I feel we must all agree that we all the time need the international locations to enhance amongst other folks of various backgrounds and other races.
Secondly, I feel you have to have a look at President Trump’s report with appreciate to women and men of colour. The report low unemployment price amongst African-American citizens, Hispanic-American citizens, Asian-American citizens and others is outstanding and it is owing to his insurance policies, his daring management that there are such a large amount of extra other folks of colour who’re in a position to get right of entry to those new jobs in production, industries as effectively in mining as effectively, carpentry is far up.
And but this president is also for college selection and charters. He is attempting to present those that are trapped in typical college programs which might be failing those scholars an alternative choice.
The jail reform initiative that Jared Kushner and President Trump have put forth is supposed to assist all other folks of all races however we all know disproportionately lots of our prisons, the ones are African-American citizens have been languishing in prisons, those that have paid their debt to society, Martha, and will reenter to have the professional, schooling, the alternatives and certainly make themselves to be had for the 6.6 million jobs which might be in the market.
This can be a president who is doing all of that or even my former colleagues within the West Wing, Omarosa agreed with a lot of that once she was once there.
MACCALLUM: Neatly, I wish to speak about that within the second. However, you already know, whilst you have a look at the disparity within the numbers. When President Obama left administrative center, 37 % that he had made race members of the family worst. And as I identified only a second in the past, the quantity for the president presently is a 57 % of the ones consider that he has made members of the family worst.
So, given the truth that as you indicate the unemployment numbers are higher for minorities and the entire efforts that the president has made which you simply discussed which might be looking to raise all boats, there nonetheless appears to be that feeling as his critics say that he does not wish to make The united states nice once more, he desires to make The united states white once more.
Can he be extra articulate, extra outspoken in this factor? And, you already know, it is going to one of the vital different issues that we mentioned this week, the tweets concerning the NFL gamers. Some other folks say he is harder on NFL gamers and athletes than he’s at the actions that we’re about to peer this afternoon in Washington.
CONWAY: Neatly, that is only a horrible factor to mention. This president final August 14th stated the next. It does not get a lot protection so I’ll learn it.
Quote: Racism is evil and those that name violence and its goals are criminals and thugs together with the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and different hate teams which might be repugnant to the entirety we dangle expensive as American citizens.
That quote does not get a lot (INAUDIBLE). That was once the president of the USA, President Trump, final August 14th denouncing of in particular KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists after already — and earlier than that and after that denouncing racism, bigotry, hatred and violence as he did once more the day before today.
As for the nationwide anthem, the president made very transparent that he believes it is not a large ask to have other folks stand for the flag and the nationwide anthem at soccer video games and in other places and that one after the other, Martha, if those skilled athletes wish to return into their communities or any place they would like the place they’ve substantial platforms and typically very large reputation, that they must move forward and make their voices recognized there, at the box, when other folks move to play for a soccer recreation, it sounds just like the NFL’s new coverage in fact agreed with this. They stated, if you will be at the box, you’ll be able to’t be kneeling, you’ll be able to keep within the locker room —
CONWAY: Neatly, there you move.
MACCALLUM: Let me return to Omarosa Manigault, as a result of she’s talking out as you effectively know. She was once answerable for African-American outreach for the White Area. She has stated that she was once fired as a result of she knew an excessive amount of a few tape on which the president used the N-word. She additionally has stated she heard him name your husband derogatory names as effectively.
Did the president do both of the ones issues, Kellyanne?
CONWAY: No, he didn’t. I have by no means heard the president of the USA use a racial slur about somebody. I merely have not heard it, Martha.
As of late is 2 years to the day he requested me to be his marketing campaign supervisor. I have labored along of him for over two directly years now with out interruption. I’ve by no means as soon as heard him say that about somebody and I by no means heard Omarosa complained that she had heard the president say it about somebody both when she was once there.
She has contradicted her personal account. She advised ABC Information the day after she was once fired that she had resigned. She is now pronouncing she was once fired. She advised ABC Information the day after she was once fired that she — that, quote, Donald Trump, no, he is not a racist. That she don’t have been there.
She additionally had an overly sparkling appraisal of Donald Trump, the businessman, the chief of “The Apprentice”, the candidate and certainly the president, in particular in making an attempt to succeed in out to African-American citizens, serving to the HBCUs, traditionally black faculties and universities via govt orders, via staff construction, via jail reform. Omarosa —
CONWAY: Omarosa criticized the Congressional Black Caucus for no longer assembly with him.
MACCALLUM: You heard what the president stated at Bedminster the day before today. He known as her a lowlife, which raises an obtrusive query, why was once she ever employed within the first position if the president thinks she’s a lowlife?
CONWAY: No, he thinks — I feel he believes it is a low blow to write down a e book riddled with lies and accusations and insinuations, whether or not 30 items of silver or a seven-figure e book, for you, your publicists, your ghostwriters, all that is modified was once this e book deal and her being fired. So I feel he most definitely feels very betrayed and I think very disenchanted as a result of I all the time had an excellent operating courting with Omarosa.
And I — and the truth is within the West Wing, I by no means heard or a unmarried time, no longer at the marketing campaign, the West Wing, ever even after that say that she heard such issues. My husband very strongly stated that is absurd all of the method round, that the president would no longer use those phrases about him. My husband is part Filipino. And I simply by no means heard that. And I feel that issues.
Additionally, I feel Omarosa ignored a superb opportunity right here, Martha, to take credit score for the entire glorious features the president has made for other folks of colour. Whether or not it is the HBCUs, the staff construction, the traditionally low unemployment numbers, the accessibility of extra jobs, the jail reform, the drug reform that I labored on firsthand on behalf of the president.
She must have stated, I am very happy that every one of our labors are bearing fruit, however as a substitute, she is attempting to promote books and settle rankings and you have to be anti-Trump for the ones to achieve success. It is very disappointing.
MACCALLUM: Let me ask you yet another query earlier than I permit you to move on a brand new matter. On August 16th, the Boston Globe has requested newspapers around the nation to position out editorials necessarily attacking the president for his grimy struggle, that is their quote, in opposition to the loose press.
How do you reply to that?
CONWAY: That is what they do each and every unmarried day. Each and every unmarried day, the mainstream media, which now has any place from 17 to a 20 % approval score that I have have noticed is virulently anti-Trump. And they are no longer simply being skeptical, they are being cynical.
And so they make the entirety about them. Even at those rallies, Martha, the click covers the phase that is concerning the press. The folks pay attention the insurance policies which might be concerning the other folks.
And I feel that the click, lots of them, are looking to get the president as a substitute of get the tale. A lot of them as you effectively know are looking to turn out to be the tale. It will increase their talking charges. They get to move on past due evening TV and make a laugh of the president and everyone round him.
That isn’t journalism and I do not know the way other folks can really feel that fashionable reporting and journalism trade contains other folks like this new (INAUDIBLE) alongside that was once employed through the New York Occasions as a result of she wonders how briefly white other folks can burn, cancel white other folks, make a laugh of white males.
You have got Marc Caputo from Politico final week in Tampa pronouncing, calling that Trump supporters, quote, “rubbish other folks” and pronouncing in case you line all of them up subsequent to one another, they might have a complete set of enamel. That is a contemporary state of journalism. I am certain you as a accountable and revered reporter would object to that.
So, glance, they’re — they aren’t making an attempt — they’re looking to erase this presidency, so a Democrat is elected president, an overly a success at that. However lots of them are in a death trade that in contrast to the Trump Company isn’t very winning.
MACCALLUM: All proper.
CONWAY: And so they must attempt to move out and be told what they preserve getting unsuitable about Trump and his supporters and his insurance policies, and prevent simply being so reflexively, invectively, virulently anti-Trump.
MACCALLUM: All proper. Kellyanne, thanks very a lot. Just right to peer you.
CONWAY: Thanks, Martha.
MACCALLUM: Thank you for becoming a member of us.
Bobbing up subsequent, we usher in our Sunday workforce to speak about the racial divide this is on this nation and why.
Plus, do Democrats have a Pelosi drawback?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will you vote for Nancy Pelosi?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: More than likely no longer.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: More than likely no longer?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That is my solution. No, most definitely no longer.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will you do this?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can beef up whoever the Democratic Birthday celebration helps?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thanks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In truth, no. I feel we’d like new management.
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MACCALLUM: Scholars protesting final evening at the College of Virginia campus at the anniversary weekend of the “unite the fitting” rally that resulted in violence final 12 months in Charlottesville.
Time now for our Sunday workforce. Former press secretary to Vice President Pence, Marc Lotter, columnist for the Hill, Juan Williams, Lisa Lerer who covers politics for the Related Press, and Charles Harm, opinion editor for the Washington Occasions.
Due to all of you for being lately.
Juan, let me get started with you in this. You’ve a brand new e book known as “What the Hell Do You Must Lose?”
JUAN WILLIAMS, AUTHOR, “WHAT THE HELL DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE?”: Proper.
MACCALLUM: Which hearkens again to one thing President Trump stated at the marketing campaign path, exhorting African-American citizens to present them an opportunity necessarily. He were given about eight % of the African-American vote, which isn’t allowed however somewhat bit greater than Romney and McCain were given after they ran.
So, how do you assume the president is doing in this factor?
WILLIAMS: Neatly, I feel, Martha, it is lovely transparent 12 months after Charlottesville, the president continues to discuss blacks, about Latinos to his white base as a gaggle this is — I imply, he’d say black and Latinos are dumb, violent and no more patriotic than white American citizens. I feel that is racist more or less language however he makes use of that. He positioned to that tribalism and, in some way, it is to his political benefit. He turns out to assume it encourages or stirs up his base of electorate to beef up him.
However I feel it additionally stirs up and emboldens the white nationalists, the KKK, the neo-Nazis on this international. That is why you notice him pulling — I feel Quinnipiac has a ballot. It says greater than part, 55 % of American citizens, see President Trump as appearing in some way that is emboldening —
MACCALLUM: Give me an instance, although, of the way he is known as African-American citizens dumb —
WILLIAMS: Oh, effectively, I imply, this week with LeBron James.
MACCALLUM: Why is that as a result of the colour of LeBron James’ pores and skin?
WILLIAMS: Neatly, as a result of what he does is he performs to this racial stereotype about blacks as much less clever. No longer handiest with that, have in mind, he —
MACCALLUM: He known as numerous other folks dumb.
WILLIAMS: No, he has right here a form of useful intentional loss of consideration to precisely the racial stereotype of close up and dribble. You already know, you have been only a basketball participant. You do not have the fitting to be important of your president. In the way in which that NFL gamers now are considered as unpatriotic through Trump even if they’re merely speaking about police brutality and exercising sturdy constitutional rights.
And you notice this habits through Trump, through the way in which, a 12 months later after Charlottesville, being mimicked now through Republican applicants, Corey Stewart in Virginia, you might have in Illinois, California, congressional applicants who have been Holocaust deniers. This complete factor —
MACCALLUM: The ones individuals are applicants.
WILLIAMS: Sure, that is what I am pronouncing.
MACCALLUM: We will see if they can get elected.
Charlie, reply to what Juan is pronouncing right here.
CHARLIE HURT, OPINION EDITOR, THE WASHINGTON TIMES: Neatly, you already know, I feel it is a shockingly unfair evaluate of President Trump. I do not — I do not believe that he’s enjoying to these issues.
And when he calls LeBron James dumb or whoever he recollects dumb, he is not drawing any nexus between his race and being dumb, and I feel that folks that do check out to attract some nexus, I feel they are those which might be dragging race into it. I feel that — you already know, politics in The united states over the last 20 years within the Democratic Birthday celebration has been through some distance the worst of it prior to now couple of a long time, has used race, faith and gender to divide other folks, and so they make this — the entire drawback such a lot worse, and I feel that — I do not believe you may be able to deny that Democrats have used racial politics no less than up to conservatives will have, you already know, a long time in the past.
However it’s — and it’s tearing us aside. A 12 months in the past lately was once a sad tournament, one blameless particular person died, two blameless Virginia state soldiers have been killed, however let’s put it into point of view. While you examine — and also you famous on the best of the display, Martha, that, you already know, selection of other folks shot and killed in Chicago, a fundamental weekend.
However the media specializes in these items, politicians center of attention on it as a result of they wish to get those divisions in an overly harmful method, however I feel if we step again and put it into point of view, A, race members of the family on this nation are an entire lot higher than I feel you could possibly get the affect from studying the media or paying attention to politicians who have been looking to make politics out about it all. And I feel that — I feel we must — everyone must relax somewhat bit and put this into point of view.
MACCALLUM: A few attention-grabbing voices on that and I wish to get ideas from Lisa and Marc in this. That is Los angeles Shawn Ford, who is a Democrat in Chicago, a Democrat lawmaker in Chicago.
He says: As a Democrat, I come right here lately calling at the president. He stated he sought after to assist other folks in Chicago and I settle for that assist. This is primary. We wish to obtain assist from the president of the USA.
After which some other voice, Kanye West speaking to Jimmy Kimmel had this to mention when Jimmy Kimmel driven again on his beef up of President Trump. Watch.
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KANYE WEST, RAPPER: Liberals cannot bully me. Information cannot bully me. The hip-hop immunity, they are able to’t bully me, as a result of at that time, if I am afraid to be me, I am not Ye. That is what makes Ye.
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MACCALLUM: That is what makes Ye.
So, Lisa, let me move to you to this at the politics of all of this, as a result of in the case of election time, how — how will this affect the president with moderates, with impartial electorate?
LISA LERER, ASSOCIATED PRESS: Neatly, what is been so putting about a lot of these form of incidents with the president is that in most cases, you already know, in case you have this sort of racial unrest, presidents step in and check out to calm the location down. That isn’t obviously what this president does. He turns out to thrive on this sort of rigidity and divisiveness, however, you already know, it in point of fact hasn’t brought about them.
A 12 months after Charlottesville, Republicans are extra unified round him. He’s nonetheless hotly desired maximum puts, numerous puts at the marketing campaign path. He hasn’t in point of fact paid a worth for, you already know, what he stated in his backward and forward concerning the Charlottesville incident a 12 months in the past.
So I feel the takeaway for numerous other folks, for the president, and for numerous other folks across the president about this is that there’s no unmarried incident this is going to tank him, or going to, you already know, surely tank him of his supporters. However possibly with — you already know, harm him extra with independents both. They are no longer in point of fact preserving their breath for a Katrina second. That is not in point of fact going to occur with this president.
MACCALLUM: (INAUDIBLE) Kamala Harris speaking about id politics. Let’s watch.
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SEN. KAMALA HARRIS, D-CALIFORNIA: I’ve an issue, guys, with that word, id politics, as a result of let’s be transparent, when other folks say that, it is a pejorative. That word is used to divide and it’s used to distract. Its function is to reduce and marginalize problems that affect all people. It’s used to take a look at and close us up.
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MACCALLUM: That is the controversy that we are speaking about right here.
Marc, your ideas?
MARC LOTTER, FORMER VP PENCE PRESS SECRETARY: Neatly, I feel — to Charlie’s level previous, I imply, Democrats were enticing in id politics for many years now, and it is not one thing this is more likely to trade anytime quickly. In reality, I feel as a result of other folks like Kanye West and others have been popping out and pronouncing, I’ll give this president an opportunity for those who in fact took the president up and stated, what do you need to lose?
As increasingly more individuals are coming over and pronouncing, you already know, I have a look at the unemployment price that President Trump talks about. I have a look at our higher wages. I see him enticing at the issues that he was once going to do. I’m going to give him an opportunity the increasingly more the Democrats are going to have to take a look at to strike worry, to take a look at to stay the ones other folks into their political fold and it is simply no longer one thing I feel goes to paintings in the longer term.
And whilst you have a look at the president’s approval scores amongst African-American citizens presently, it is doubled in accordance to a few fresh polls about 20 %. So, it displays that the effects do subject and individuals are beginning to assume seriously for themselves.
MACCALLUM: We are going to speak about extra of the midterm politics with reference to this, and the larger footage as effectively. Panel, thanks.
We are going to take a snappy damage. We will see you in a little bit.
Not up to a month after the Helsinki summit, the paintings in opposition to commonplace floor is now in the midst of one thing known as financial conflict. So, the place are the U.S. and Russia when it comes to our relationships in point of fact heading? We are going to communicate to 2 key U.S. senators in this bobbing up subsequent.
MACCALLUM: Bobbing up, the Trump management imposes extra financial sanctions on Russia, Iran and Turkey.
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HEATHER NAUERT, STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESPERSON: Sanctions is some way that we will be able to attempt to inspire higher habits at the a part of executive.
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MACCALLUM: We will speak about the effectiveness of this overseas coverage software with Senators Lindsey Graham and Jack Reed, subsequent on “Fox Information Sunday”.
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RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN, PRESIDENT OF TURKEY (via translator): We denounce the order that threatens the entire international with the industry struggle with a view to shake them down.
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MACCALLUM: Turkish President Erdogan lashing out at the USA over sanctions and price lists that despatched that country’s foreign money tumbling this week and strained members of the family between the 2 NATO allies.
Senator Lindsey Graham and Senator Jack Reed, each participants of the Armed Products and services Committee, joined us now.
And we commence with Senator Graham.
Senator, welcome again to “Fox Information Sunday”. Just right to have you ever with us right here lately.
SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM, R-SC, ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE: Thanks.
MACCALLUM: In a New York Occasions editorial, Erdogan went on to mention that the USA begins appreciate — till the USA begins respecting Turkey sovereignty and proves that it understands the risks that our country faces, our partnership may well be in jeopardy.
Which ends up in the query, I imply, is that this nonetheless a operating courting in any respect with Turkey?
GRAHAM: Neatly, we’ve an airbase in Turkey. They are a NATO best friend. It must be a operating courting. We want Turkey to assist us in Syria. We want turkey to assist us in Iraq. They’re our NATO best friend.
However they’ve no longer simply Pastor Brunson in prison, 5 or 6 different American citizens who labored for the — excuse me, Turkish voters who paintings for the American embassy. We are not going to have a standard courting with Turkey till they let the Pastor Brunson out.
The chargers in opposition to him are whole shams. It is a bogus tournament relating to Pastor Brunson and others who paintings for the American embassy. They’d not anything to do with looking to topple the federal government.
MACCALLUM: You already know, I feel when it comes to the Pastor Brunson query, and, you already know, this backward and forward between Turkey and the USA over —
MACCALLUM: — operation to overthrow the federal government in Turkey, which is what Erdogan is so offended about —
MACCALLUM: — it is attention-grabbing to peer that courting, that those are pinned on a go back of those folks —
MCCALLUM: Which is some way that we’ve not in point of fact noticed presidents paintings prior to now.
Do you assume that is going to achieve success? Is Brunson going to come back again and is there an opportunity to fix this courting?
We additionally know that Turkey desires to shop for protection weaponry from Russia. That is additionally one thing we do not want them to do.
GRAHAM: Sure, this courting must be repaired (ph). It is in Turkey’s hobby to have a just right courting with the USA and its and in our hobby to have a just right courting with Turkey.
I might love to sooner or later do a loose industry settlement with Turkey. I might love to get them out of Russia’s orbit, pull them clear of Iran and again in — again into our sphere of affect, the place they must be. However they will by no means be a standard courting till Pastor Brunson is out of prison.
He pastored a church of 50 other folks in Izmir, Turkey. He had not anything to do with the rebellion in 2016. The workers on the American embassy have — aren’t golonas (ph) looking to overthrow the Turkish executive.
In 2016, the army grew to become at the Turkish president. I will be able to perceive his considerations. However the S-400 being purchased from Turkey — excuse me, from Russia, the Russia’s premiere missile protection device, you’ll be able to’t have the F-35 and the S-400 each.
So we wish to reset this courting. And one of the simplest ways to do it’s let Pastor Brunson come house and get started over.
MACCALLUM: All proper.
When the president left for Helsinki, he mentioned the entire conferences that have been forward of him. And at that time he stated Putin may well be the perfect of them all.
MCCALLUM: That he sought after to search out some commonplace floor with the chief of Russia.
Now, we have now were given a scenario the place there are sanctions because of the poisoning that came about within the U.Ok. and Medvedev is pronouncing that he thinks that they are in financial conflict at this level. So is it honest to mention that the president has put the function of discovering commonplace floor with Russia to the again burner at this level?
GRAHAM: Sure, I feel Russian habits has ruled the connection right here. I do not thoughts looking to have a greater courting with Russia. They simply wish to act higher to reach that function.
They did. They are without delay keen on killing the British citizen, the poison that was once utilized in Britain to kill this former Soviet secret agent — Soviet member who was a secret agent, got here from Russia. They’re meddling within the 2018 election. I am 100 % sure that they’re proceeding to meddle in our election. They intend to disrupt the 2018 election.
So I have offered hard-hitting sanctions. I applaud the management for hitting Russia according to what they did in Britain. So you’ll be able to by no means have a greater courting with Putin so long as he behaves the way in which he does. And I admire the president pushing again.
MACCALLUM: All proper.
I wish to ask you earlier than I permit you to move a non-foreign coverage query relating to Bruce Ohr, who’s a Division of Justice reliable —
MCCALLUM: Who labored beneath Sally Yates and only a few workplaces down from the top of the Justice Division. He is turning into a a lot more central determine in what seems to be the initiation of this Russia investigation. What are you aware about that?
GRAHAM: Neatly, he was once the quantity 4 man on the Division of Justice. His spouse labored for Fusion GPS, the company employed through the Democratic Nationwide Committee and the Clinton marketing campaign to get — to search out grime on Trump. They employed Christopher Steele, a former British agent, who went to Russia to collect a file that I feel is a host of political rubbish.
Here is what I might inform the American other folks. Each campaigns have been investigated through the FBI and the Division of Justice in 2016. When it got here to the Clinton marketing campaign, she were given a cross. The prison investigation of the Clinton marketing campaign was once a shaggy dog story. When it got here to the Trump marketing campaign, it was once corrupt, it was once biased and I feel unethical. Mr. Ohr must no longer have had any function in investigating the Trump marketing campaign as a result of his spouse labored at Fusion GPS. The 2 — the FBI agent answerable for the Clinton marketing campaign hated Trump, favored Clinton, and in addition began the counterintelligence investigation in opposition to Trump.
When it got here to Dianne Feinstein, they went to her and stated, hiya, there is a Chinese language particular person operating for your body of workers that we predict is also tied to the Chinese language executive. When it got here time to — they by no means did the similar for Trump. So those investigations in opposition to Trump have been corrupt on the core. They gave Clinton a cross. Bruce Ohr was once no less than unethical.
We want a different suggest to have a look at all issues Division of Justice and FBI when it got here to the Trump investigation, in particular the counterintelligence investigation.
MACCALLUM: And we are going to communicate extra about that during a second.
I have were given yet another minute with you so I’ll circle again to North Korea for a second since the White Area has in point of fact by no means defined the discrepancy between the president’s tweet which says that there’s no longer a nuclear risk from North Korea —
MCCALLUM: And John Bolton’s evaluate that the Singapore settlement in point of fact has no longer yielded any growth in any respect. You stated at one level that the president may just probably obtain a Nobel Prize for what he was once doing in North Korea. So what do you assert now?
GRAHAM: Neatly, I feel we wish to be affected person. North Korea goes to do the — going to reply correctly, or they will return to the similar outdated method of doing trade. And I will be able to let you know this, President Trump has no position to kick the can in the case of North Korea. If he needed to, as a final lodge, he would use army pressure to prevent their missile methods, their nuclear program. And to the Iranians, watch what is going on with Iran. Do you wish to have to be subsequent? I admire the president taking flight from the nuclear settlement with Iran and looking to damage the ayatollah’s again economically. This can be a non secular theocracy. This dismembering the Mideast. To North Korea, if you do not assume Trump will activate you in case you attempt to play him, watch what is going on in North Korea.
MACCALLUM: Senator Lindsay Graham, all the time just right to speak to, sir, thanks very a lot.
GRAHAM: Excuse me, Iran.
MACCALLUM: So becoming a member of me now from Rhode Island, Senator Jack Reed, the highest Democrat at the Armed Products and services Committee.
Senator, thanks very a lot for being with us.
SEN. JACK REED, D-RHODE ISLAND: Thank you, Martha.
MACCALLUM: As we glance world wide, you already know, what we see is like a very extensive spectrum of price lists, of sanctions which were leveled in opposition to, as we have been simply discussing, in opposition to Turkey, in opposition to Iran, in opposition to Russia, additionally China. You stated that you simply felt that the price lists in opposition to China have been the fitting transfer when President Trump put them in position. Now China is pushing again with punitive price lists in opposition to the USA as effectively, which some individuals are involved may just, down the street, put a dent within the sure GDP enlargement that we have now noticed.
Here is the president speaking about what is going on with China at Bedminster this week.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We’re in somewhat little bit of a battle with China presently. We would like them to do effectively, however we would like them to regard us slightly. They’ve no longer handled us slightly for lots of a long time.
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MACCALLUM: The place do you assume that is heading, senator?
REED: Neatly, I feel the president’s manner has been dis-coordinated. He has imposed sanctions on a variety of nations. I do not believe he has a strategic plan. I feel he is necessarily simply lashing out. And when he does not get his method, he’s going to invoke extra sanctions.
He is were given sanctions in opposition to a few of our closest allies, just like the Canadians. That does not make numerous sense to me.
I feel if he had a extra targeted strategy to China, if he indicated what he sought after modified in particular slightly than simply generically, we are going to punish you till you forestall doing the entirety you might be doing, I feel, once more, he must be a lot more targeted.
MACCALLUM: However you — you probably did say that it was once a good suggestion for him to position the ones sanctions in position. And I feel numerous individuals who have a look at the industry imbalance have a identical response, you already know, that he is no longer unsuitable about how the USA has been mistreated in those offers. So does not that require a little bit of persistence on the desk?
REED: Neatly, it calls for persistence, nevertheless it additionally calls for a constant plan. And it additionally calls for cooperation with our buying and selling companions. Slightly than moving into with a concerted effort, unified effort, he has created problems amongst all our main buying and selling companions. And, in consequence, China is in a position to form of, in some way, isolate us and diminish the impact of our sanctions, the impact of our insurance policies.
And the price lists, I feel, are much less important when it comes to Chinese language price lists and our price lists. I feel the actual factor at stake this is the way in which that the Chinese language don’t permit our firms to take part slightly in China, to possess firms, to offer protection to their highbrow belongings. A extra targeted manner through President Trump on the ones efforts, I feel, can be useful.
MACCALLUM: However, I imply, that is obviously what the president goes for right here. He is mentioned it moderately a little bit when it comes to highbrow belongings. So, once more, you already know, does not it require persistence within the — in the middle of the deal-making to form of wait out the cruel a part of this as a result of that is a negotiation? And do you assume in the end that it is going to draw them to the desk?
REED: Neatly, I feel it calls for persistence, clearly. However I feel it is going to additionally require form of a extra systematic and calculated and calibrated manner. It is been form of a wild trip with the president when it comes to sanctions he is imposed.
And, once more, it is not simply with appreciate to China. Suppose he’d be in a miles more potent place if he had a unified buying and selling block, the western (ph) buying and selling block, operating with him in opposition to China. He does not have that.
After which, once more, the query is, when it comes to persistence, who has the persistence? I feel the Chinese language are — appear to be indicating that they aren’t going to briefly succumb to those price lists, or those protectionist measures that the USA is implementing. It would a protracted, lengthy procedure and they’d be capable of wait us out. Once more, that is going to turn results in our economic system ultimately and the ones results, I feel, will remove from the expansion we are seeing.
MACCALLUM: So let me transfer to Iran presently. Clearly the snapback sanctions are actually in position. The deal isn’t one thing that the USA is taking part in anymore and, on account of that, we noticed some slightly competitive shifting up of the timetable for Iran to hold out its army workouts that it does within the Strait of Hormuz over the process this week. Your response to that and the place you assume that scenario is going subsequent.
REED: Neatly, first, you might be proper, precisely, they have got moved up their annual workouts. They have got performed a ballistic missile workout along with the ones workouts. The only factor they have not completed, which I feel is suitable and I feel we can not ever permit, is they’ve no longer been interfering with the passenger ships in the course of the Strait of Hormuz. That must be one thing this is completely nonnegotiable.
I feel an issue we’ve is after taking flight from the JCPOA, we have now misplaced the beef up of our Eu allies, in particular. In reality, the Europeans are going to lengths to take a look at to cushion the blow to the Iranians.
After which, once more, you might be right into a scenario the place what will occur inside Tehran. I feel there’s a sturdy feeling that the hardliners will take increasingly more energy, that they’re going to start to marginalize the ones other folks. And I feel the usage of the time period average in Iran isn’t in particular correct.
REED: However those that a lot more delicate to international opinion can be marginalized and the hardliners will take over.
And the Iranians be capable of, via proxies in particular, to break, intrude and, if truth be told, certainly motive us hurt in Iraq and Syria and all over the area. So I, once more, I feel the most important drawback this is that we don’t as soon as once more have a concerted (ph) international status with us in opposition to the Iranians. And they are going to attempt to divide and triumph over, separate the Europeans from us and proceed to do this.
MACCALLUM: All proper, earlier than I permit you to move, I wish to ask you concerning the Area Drive, which were given numerous consideration, even some ribbing this week. However it is a critical proposal at the a part of the president, that he desires to start out this 6th department of the army.
Mark Kelly, the previous astronaut, advised me the opposite evening that he thinks it is a unhealthy thought, that it is a waste of cash and that it is redundant. Buzz Aldrin additionally weighed in and stated that he concept it was once an enormous, large jump for mankind. He is very in choose of it. How about you, Senator Reed?
REED: I feel we need to reorganize our area forces as a result of our threats are actually in more than one dimensions. However I feel making a separate carrier with the entire infrastructure and the forms isn’t tips on how to move.
We, within the Nationwide Protection Authorization Act, licensed a sub unified command for area that I feel would start to pull in combination those other strands. Each and every carrier has some form of connection to area. In case you are a — and I used to be a paratrooper for a number of years. In case you are at the floor, you wish to have GPS to provide you with instructions and steerage. That is an area asset. In case you are at sea, you wish to have area belongings.
So, this isn’t a one carrier size and I feel making a separate carrier would simply upload forms with out impact. What we need to do is unify our present efforts.
One of the most just right fashions for it is a joint particular operations command, which is more than one products and services, SEALs, Rangers, Inexperienced Berets, Air Drive, particular operators, they perform very unified, however there is no new carrier with all of the paraphernalia and forms of a brand new carrier. That is the path we must head.
MACCALLUM: All proper, Senator Jack Reed, thanks, sir. Just right to peer you lately. Thank you for becoming a member of us.
REED: Thanks very a lot, Martha.
MACCALLUM: So, bobbing up, we will be able to deliver again the panel undiscussed why Bruce Ohr, who labored for Sally Yates, is now turning into a extra central determine in how the Russia investigation were given its legs within the first position. And Rudy Giuliani speaks out.
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RUDY GIULIANI, PRESIDENT TRUMP’S ATTORNEY: The truth is, he does not wish to ask a unmarried query on obstruction, he has all of the solutions. They are no longer going to switch. The president’s no longer going to switch his testimony. So, forestall the nonsense. You are attempting to entice him into perjury since you do not have a case.
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MACCALLUM: Rudy Giuliani at the backward and forward over Particular Recommend Robert Mueller’s request for an interview with the president in his investigation into Russia’s meddling within the 2016 election.
And we’re again now with the panel.
Just right to have all of you right here.
Marc, let me get started with you.
Your ideas on Rudy Giuliani’s ways right here and is he looking to persuade the president no longer to take a seat down with Robert Mueller, do you assume?
MARC LOTTER, FORMER VP PENCE PRESS SECRETARY: More than likely to a undeniable extent. I imply the president has clearly stated on more than one events that he’d be open to the speculation and his legal professionals have just about unanimously stated they are no longer. And so that is I feel a message in each instructions. One, for the particular suggest to arrange himself that it is most definitely no longer going to occur, and, secondly, to the president, reiterating that they do not assume it is a good suggestion.
MACCALLUM: Lisa, what is the affect if he sits down or if he does no longer?
LISA LERER, ASSOCIATED PRESS: Neatly, I feel a part of — that is extra of a PR technique than a felony technique. I think on occasion like I am having breakfast with Rudy Giuliani. He is on my tv such a lot.
However it is — that can be the way to move. In any case, this is able to move to Congress, no matter file comes out. If Democrats take the Area, this may well be impeachment. So this can be a political battle and I feel the president’s crew is surroundings it up that method.
We all know the president’s legal professionals do not want him to testify, however additionally they do not — or to do the interview, however additionally they do not want it to seem like he does not wish to do the interview as a result of that would possibly seem like he is hiding one thing. So this entire back-and-forth is a approach to stretch out the argument, make it glance that whether or not the president is or isn’t prepared to do it, he — make it seem like he’s and draw out this entire back-and-forth for so long as imaginable.
MACCALLUM: Sure. I imply I want we had a crystal ball so lets see how this tale ends.
Jay Sekulow, his different lawyer, additionally got here out this week. He stated, you already know, mainly, we did not settle for the be offering from a different suggest that they offered when it comes to the parameters for the ones questions. You already know, which results in the query as soon as once more, whilst you pay attention all of this, as Lisa says, quite a bit from Rudy Giuliani and from Jay Sekulow and — and also you do have to wonder whether their message, as we’ve noticed them do form of in a round method earlier than, is on the president.
CHARLES HURT, THE WASHINGTON TIMES: Sure. No kidding. But additionally, you already know, I — what extra is Donald Trump going to mention about — I imply he is responded the entire questions that he —
MACCALLUM: So that you accept as true with Rudy Giuliani’s level there?
HURT: Sure, I do as a result of I feel the most important drawback for the president presently is that he walks in, says one thing, by chance or by chance, that isn’t true on some totally unrelated subject and it finishes up being a perjury entice.
However — however, you already know, the president has — it is not like he is been quiet about these items. He has opined about each and every side of the — of the investigation, the main points, the folk concerned within the investigation. If Mueller would simply be happy with an interrogation by way of Twitter, then he’d have all of his solutions.
MACCALLUM: I feel we will have already had that.
JUAN WILLIAMS, FOX NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: Neatly, I imply, the truth is he — the president assists in keeping converting his tales at the Trump Tower assembly, as an example. So we do not know precisely. We will be able to’t say that we all know precisely what he thinks. However we do know this, that this week he tweeted that Jeff Periods, the lawyer common, must get energetic an finish this so-called witch hunt within the president’s phrases.
So I feel what that is about is, choosing up on Lisa’s language, it is a marketing campaign — a public members of the family marketing campaign through Giuliani and Sekulow to mention to other folks, you’ll be able to’t accept as true with the FBI. You’ll be able to’t accept as true with the Robert Mueller particular prosecutor investigation. And in consequence, concentrate to me. That is what the president had stated explicitly. Do not concentrate to the click. That is faux news. Pay attention to what I say. That is what is going on.
And I feel he is chatting with his base in that regard. And numerous this then, in point of fact in my thoughts, blows right down to a diversionary tactic, if we are pondering when it comes to struggle technique.
MACCALLUM: All proper, let’s check out the Bruce Ohr a part of the tale as a result of he is been form of a again participant in all of this, however in accordance to a few new investigative reporting, it sounds as if that he will have been much more central to the investigation to start with, the origins of a Russia investigation, then we will have discovered.
Let’s check out this quote from the Hill. It says a detailed overview of those new paperwork displays simply how carefully Affiliate Deputy Lawyer Common Bruce Ohr, who reported to Obama generation Deputy Lawyer Common Sally Yates, maintained touch with Fusion and particularly it is a number one supply, former British secret agent Christopher Steele, earlier than, all over and after the election.
So I wish to pull up a few of these communications between Christopher Steele and Bruce Ohr. No less than that is who they’re appeared to be between.
That is July 1st. So that is simply earlier than Operation Crossfire will get underway. Simply as — Steele sought after to present Ohr pressing data on our — I am sorry, so you are looking at January 31st. However simply let me let you know something first. Earlier than that came about, they communicated on our favourite trade mogul, OK. So we do not is aware of essentially who this is, however you’ll be able to surmise most likely who that may well be according to this. In order that was once on July the first that he had pressing data that he sought after to present to Bruce Ohr on our favourite trade mogul.
Then, flash ahead to July 31st. So at this level Bruce Ohr is speaking to Christopher Steele, in line with those reviews, and he’s speaking about checking to peer if he’s OK. Let’s put the January 31st one again up at the display screen now.
Now, the rationale he desires to grasp if Bruce Ohr is OK is as a result of Sally Yates has simply been fired that day. So he is making an attempt to determine if his connection — and that is after the FBI has fireplace Christopher Steele. Christopher Steele now not works for the government.
So they are saying — Steele says to Ohr, simply wish to take a look at with you that you are OK. Nonetheless in situ and in a position to in the neighborhood — assist in the neighborhood as mentioned, along side your bureau colleagues. He says — Ohr says, in line with those reviews, I am nonetheless right here and in a position to assist as mentioned. I can permit you to know if that adjustments.
Then transfer ahead to this cryptic message. When you find yourself out although, which means Bruce Ohr, if he have been to lose his task, as Sally Yates did, I in point of fact want some other bureau? touch level quantity who’s briefed. We will be able to’t permit our man to be pressured to return house. That might be disastrous.
Now, they are looking to examine who “our man” and the place “again house” may well be in all of this.
However, Charlie, let me get started with you. Your ideas right here?
HURT: So, Christopher Steele, he is like Cujo. You’ll be able to’t like — you’ll be able to’t kill him. He assists in keeping coming again.
And what this stuff — those messages disclose is that he was once coming again even after President Trump were sworn in. After which — and he is frightened about Bruce Ohr being got rid of and the place will he — you already know, who can be his touch particular person at that time?
It simply — you already know, it undermines the credibility of the FBI and the DOJ, clearly. However it feeds the entire questions that we have now had all alongside concerning the — about how each the release of the investigation in the beginning into Trump collusion — alleged collusion with Russia, but additionally whether or not or no longer there was once form of a vendetta or one thing. I imply all — in any respect ranges of the — of the dep., a vendetta, some effort to take a look at to thwart the president. And it is — it must alarm everyone, whether or not you are a Democrat or a Republican, it must be very alarming.
MACCALLUM: Sure. I imply that’s the query, whether or not or no longer there was once some form of concerted effort between the DOJ and the FBI and Christopher Steele, who was once employed through the Hillary Clinton marketing campaign, to stay this hearth burning, to determine what they may dig up most likely on President Trump, who was President Trump.
WILLIAMS: Let me give you a unique perspective.
MACCALLUM: Nellie Ohr, I simply wish to indicate, Bruce Ohr’s spouse —
MACCALLUM: Works for Fusion GPS, which we did not point out earlier than.
WILLIAMS: Right kind.
However let me simply be offering a unique perspective —
MACCALLUM: Let us know.
WILLIAMS: Which is that you’ve got Christopher Steele as a dogged former secret agent, well-respected secret agent around the globe, who has had — concept he had data. Keep in mind, the FBI didn’t expose that that they had an ongoing investigation of Donald Trump earlier than the election. Right here comes Steele and he says, oh, my, they are getting — they are eliminating Obama generation Justice Division officers. Who can I communicate to within the executive if I uncover added forged data?
So I feel there may be no longer a lot right here to this tale, with the exception of to mention that it feeds Donald Trump’s effort to discredit the FBI, to discredit the Justice Division and Justice Division officers, and to indicate that come what may there is a grand effort in opposition to him. However there is no there there. This can be a not anything burger.
MACCALLUM: All proper. We can see.
I have were given a minute left and I wish to ask you guys briefly concerning the midterm results this week. Some shut races. What do you assume, Marc, are the indicators for Republicans and Democrats and what we noticed this week?
LOTTER: I by no means put numerous inventory into particular elections in the midst of summer time, proper earlier than individuals are going again to college. They are most often low turnout. And it is nice that we’re — it looks as if we are profitable that race and we’re going to proceed to take action.
I feel the larger message, although, is to Republican officeholders and applicants. Get in the market. Do your task. Elevate cash. Knock on doorways. Don’t rely on the truth that the president, vice chairman and RNC can are available on the final minute and assist you to as a result of we might must be in numerous other puts. You do not need to be at the out of doors taking a look in.
MACCALLUM: (INAUDIBLE), if you’ll be able to.
Numerous power in opposition to Nancy Pelosi. Your response to that?
LERER: I imply I feel Republicans see that to be able to get Republican electorate who might not be loopy concerning the president, you already know, independents, they are able to get them in opposition to Pelosi.
MACCALLUM: All proper. We will be again with a last observe.
Due to the panel.
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